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[NoWhereMan]

actually that's not the answer. you can get antialiasing with little effort. the only things it takes are time and patience. nothing more

bye

[Elias]

It's not a solution to say "I cannot do this", you'll never learn that way. If you find a page with instructions, just go ahead and follow them!

Now why on Earth would I want to learn how to compile and all that involves when I just wanted to know if there was a way to make the fonts look better?

Maybe simply because its the only way for the moment to have nice fonts.

If the feature isn't there, then it isn't there. If some people who know how to compile and all that involves have a work around solution then great.

it IS there but you have bad looking font because you are not using the correct version of TCL/TK. This has nothing to do with amsn.

There are no nice smooth fonts in aMSN - YET. (Don't hold you breath).

If you still beleive you are true, then just ask for a screenshot so that i could show you how fool you are.

edit: oh, and by the way, stop pretending you know how to search the forum : i already posted somewhere how to, step by step, compile tck/tk 8.5 and have nicer fonts with amsn. One who doesn't know how to compile smthg just have to copy/past what i said and then would have nice fonts.

[tnx 4 aMSN]

actually that's not the answer. you can get antialiasing with little effort. the only things it takes are time and patience. nothing more

bye

All sorts of text to try and understand and then do this and that and the other and hope for the best. No thanks.

If it so difficult to get a straight answer here, you have got to be kidding if trying to do some of the stuff I see here.

I followed some of the advise here and the thing didn't work. Now I just have more problems.

So in a world of "things should work easily", it is indeed the answer. Not everyone wants to spend upteen hours just to enable better fonts. It is there as part of the program or it isn't. It really is that simple.

[tnx 4 aMSN]

There are no nice smooth fonts in aMSN - YET. (Don't hold you breath).

If you still beleive you are true, then just ask for a screenshot so that i could show you how fool you are.

You are very rude. Who would have thought it of some pleb from France!  :wink:

[Elias]

wtf, you are complaining about something you didn't even paid for.

do you realize how stupid you are? the answer are there and you don't want to take them.

do you realize that out of a million users of amsn (this is the number of download of the last amsn version but feel free to deny it), you are one of the tens dudes that doesn't understand how it works?

Maybe you should ask yourself if you belong to here. It don't mean amsn forum but simply life on earth : nothing is simple here and only a few things are free. So to complain about something free that up to a million people understood how it works and still refuse to go fetch the answer, no matter how easy they are, maybe your have to be complete idiot.

[tnx 4 aMSN]

Maybe you should ask yourself if you belong to here. It don't mean amsn forum but simply life on earth : nothing is simple here and only a few things are free. So to complain about something free that up to a million people understood how it works and still refuse to go fetch the answer, no matter how easy they are, maybe your have to be complete idiot.

Are all people from France as sophisticated as you? :roll:

I asked whether aMSN has a setting to adjust the font, a simple "yes" or "no" would have done.

"nothing is simple here"
Yes, it would seem so "here".

"So to complain about something free"
Where did I complain? I asked a question, a number of questions and some still don't have an answer, but a lot of "search" and read this or that, but still no answer.

People who are learning ask questions. They don't need to be belittled and berated. They certainly don't need comments such as yours - Madame Francais!

No wonder hardly anyone comes here. People like you scare everyone away! They are all too scared to ask questions.

[NoWhereMan]

once again, chill out, guys, chill out...

It's all a matter of changing mind. People expect everything to be straightforward and completely hassle-free. Those are people seeing IT as a mean, not a passion. They're not *worng*, then. They just think it another way, so:

tnx_4_aMsn: there is no way to get antialiasing for aMsn without typing some commands on your terminal (most of which would sound meaningless) and wait for the result. I can assure that if you take some patience you would make it. Anyway if you don't want to spend your time in this way (and your absolutely free to decide it), then, no way

Welcome to linux, where software comes from the efforts of a community. Many people coming form that community don't have time to make your life hassle-free. As your (real) life will never be hassle-free neither linux will be, probably.

[Elias]

Maybe you should ask yourself if you belong to here. It don't mean amsn forum but simply life on earth : nothing is simple here and only a few things are free. So to complain about something free that up to a million people understood how it works and still refuse to go fetch the answer, no matter how easy they are, maybe your have to be complete idiot.

Are all people from France as sophisticated as you? :roll:

sweet. did you ever walked away your home before and saw what is out there before saying something stupid as that?

I asked whether aMSN has a setting to adjust the font, a simple "yes" or "no" would have done.

"nothing is simple here"
Yes, it would seem so "here".

Well, the point here is that there is no "yes / no" answer here. There is a "yes" and then "how to" because it is not obvious how to get nice fonts with TK. But the answer, as i said, is written somewhere on the forum and is easy to apply. But maybe you shouldn't follow the advices of a french dude. But hey, you know what? Some of the amsn's devs are french so i suggest you don't use it. Maybe that would even explain why the fonts are crappy using tcl/tk 8.4...

"So to complain about something free"
Where did I complain? I asked a question, a number of questions and some still don't have an answer, but a lot of "search" and read this or that, but still no answer.

Once again, you expect a "yes / no" answer that would allow you to keep your consumer behavior. That doesn't work : you have to do some things by yourself in order to have what you really want.

People who are learning ask questions. They don't need to be belittled and berated. They certainly don't need comments such as yours - Madame Francais!

Non-sense. Both what you said and then french crap you attempted.


You want nice fonts? As it have already been said on the forum a dozen of time : compile tcl/tk 8.5.

[vivia]

Elias and thx_4_amsn : PLEASE, stop it - both of you. I'm about to lock the thread. If you want personal flaming, keep it up on PM.

[kakaroto]

What the fuck is going on here, I didn't see the previous posts as it seems vivia split the posts to a different thread, but hey!!! calm down!!!!
Elias and NoWhereMan, you're right, and you, tns_4_amsn, you're so fucking stupid!! get a life and stop pretending to be human, you are SO rude, I just can't beleive some people can be this rude.
Let me give you an analogy, then think about it (really, think about it, not just jump to conclusions and open up your dictionary and try to find the most suitable sentence to 'shut me up') :
You are using Windows 95 on a Pentium 1, 200MHz... you just bought, no, you just 'received' as a gift (from your uncle, or from a website, or a contest, or whatever) the latest Quake game. Wow, you're happy, you got a nice game and for free, now you want to install it, and the installer says "you need at least a 1GHz machine and at least Windows 2000 operating system"... now you call the quake technical support line, and ask them "is there a way to make it work on my windows 95 machine"... they tell you "yes, but you will first need to upgrade to a better machine, then you will need to install some 3rd party software that will allow the compatibility with your graphics card, then you'll be able to install directx and the game", and now, you're yelling "no, your game is crap, it's not worth it, you useless piece of crap, I want to click on one button and that's it"... what the fuck ? do you expect to click on a fucking button and get your pc upgraded ? one single button and get windows XP installed ? no way.
Your question was simple.. let me answer you now :
If you're a stupid asshole like you seem to be, the answer is no
If you're smart enough and willing to follow the step by step tutorial that people wrote as a gentle gesture to help people like you and without asking for anything in return (apart maybe respect), then the answer is   yes

Let me be so kind to you and explain to you what is happening here : aMSN is programmed in an interpreted language (you don't like it, then re-program all of it yourself in another, compiled, language if you wish!), which means that the source code of aMSN is being read and interpreted on the fly by an interpreter, that is tcl/tk.
Tcl/Tk is a program that reads the source code and gives you the amsn application.
You have tcl/tk 8.4 which doesn't support anti aliased fonts. In aMSN, all we do is say "show this font", the interpreter (tcl/tk) will take care of showing it, with or without anti aliasing, depending on what it can do.
Now, tcl/tk version 8.5 supports anti aliased fonts, so if you had tcl/tk 8.5 installed instead of tcl/tk 8.4, then you would have seen some nice AA fonts.
You want to see them, then good, you need to upgrade your tcl/tk installation to the 8.5 version. You don't know how, your problem, not ours, you know why ? because Tcl/Tk has NOTHING to do with our project, we are aMSN, and as far as I know, "aMSN" doesn't pronounce the same as "Tcl/Tk", which seems to proove it's not the same thing...
you want to know how to install tcl/tk 8.5, go ask some other place. Yes, we do have many users who did it and were able to install tcl/tk and even gave a step by step tutorial on how to do it. You want to follow those instructions, good, you don't, then it's your problem, don't come here whining about it because it's none of our concern.
A last analogy, imagine you have tcl/tk 8.5 with AA fonts support and everything. Problem is you use windows 3.1, which is so last that the operating system itself doesn't support AA fonts... if you want them you need to upgrade to windows 2000 or win XP... do you expect US to do that for you ? "I want to click on one button in amsn and my OS will be upgraded to Win XP", no way we can do that !!! in the same way, amsn has no control over which tcl/tk installation you have installed and we can't upgrade it for you...
If you know how to use google, you'll find rpms and installs and whatever binaries you need for a one click install of tcl/tk 8.5, but they probably aren't official because tcl/tk 8.5 is in beta stage, actually pretty stable, and being used for quite some time by many people. If you don't want to install an unofficial binary someone else compiled, then you compile it yourself.

I hope I made myself clear enough. If you don't like it, then use it, look at the ugly fonts, compile tcl/tk 8.5, and everything, we won't do it for you. If you're unable to accept a helping hand and helpful comments from nice people who did all of that for free so you could be happy, then fuck off, don't come back here, stop whining, or I'll get this thread locked and your account banned. I don't care about you, I don't care if you don't use our software, we got plenty of other gratefull users.


p.s: Elias, we had more than 1.6 millions download that sourceforge counted (without counting mirrored hosting, bittorrents and CVS/SVN accesses... from http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=54091&ugn=amsn&type=prdownload&mode=alltime&package_id=48692&release_id=376219 ) and that's only during 6 months for the 0.95 release...

[NoWhereMan]

(original topic here: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1153&highlight= )

KKRT, it's true, the guy sounded a bit harsh, but he's just one of a kind; people expecting all to be right here without putting any effort, so it's not just him, you know.

Unfortunately with this kind of people, many of us, being more computer literate, we tend to be too short in answers, we suppose everybody to understand what we're saying:

"open up a terminal and ./configure && make"

what the heck is this supposed to be??? the niewbie trying to understand feels its leg to be pulled a bit, so he gets instantly annoyed ("where is the fu***g setup.exe ?"). We should be all more patient with those people, becase only being patient we'll make them patient

So, try to think about how THEY feel like
(and be less harsh yourself :mrgreen: )

btw, what about moving the wiki's faq onto the forum? it would gain a MUCH better visibility (I often forget myself the wiki even exists )

[kakaroto]

Hey, thanks NoWhereMan for your insight you're right and I know that, but I do have a LOT of patience with the users, look at this thread for example : http://amsn.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1076
but the guy was nice... what I didn't like is the fact that this user was rude, he comes here thinking he's siting on the top of the world and we're just slaves and we MUST do whatever he asks for without even saying please or thank you. This is why I got so rude and why I bitched him, this is what I can't understand, not the fact that he doesn't know how to compile.. what I don't understand is how someone could live everyday knowing he's such an ass!!
When we said to compile tcl/tk 8.5, he could have said (as many did) "thanks, but I don't know how to do that", when he get the step by step tutorial and didn't make it he could have said "ok, I wasn't able to make it, too bad, I'll stick with the ugly fonts, thanks anyways", he would have been respected, he could have even gotten someone to create a binary package for his distro to save him the hassle, but I'm sure noone would want to help someone who's talking like him ?
omg, I just saw how he spoke on that other thread... oh god, how stupid can one be...
sorry, I can't take it, nowhereman, you have no right to defend him. this is not about his n00biness, but it's all about his assholeness.