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 on: February 17, 2013, 01:14:01 pm 
Started by NiTrOcx - Last post by justincase
Perhaps you might like to research the history of WON2.

When Valve shutdown their WON service, some people made underground WON networks.

 on: February 11, 2013, 01:16:00 am 
Started by kevv - Last post by kevv
I was never forced to do so nor did I imply such a thing. Sorry if you minsunderstood.

What I meant to say was that I downloaded aMSN a few months ago and the installer did not have any "random non mandatory at all" offered software.

This is why I am not using nor supporting your MSN client anymore, because I do not support useless software (IE, Firefox and Chrome already have this functionnality).

 on: February 10, 2013, 03:47:08 pm 
Started by Adjacent - Last post by arkano
I've been following this since Microsoft announced the (forced) transition from MSN to Skype. Personally, I find it's a shame to close WLM. At first, I had imagined they'd simply merge both clients into one, using MSNP for text messenging and other features like file transfers and such, and using the Skype protocol for VOIP and videochat (since it's certainly way better than the old MSN videochat/audiochat feature).

So, I rummaged around the internet for some potential alternatives to the official Skype client (without much hope), since I think using the heavy Skype just for IMing is a bit overkill compared to a traditional IM client, not to mention the obfuscated and blackbox aspects of Skype as a piece of software.
Some time ago, I heard about researches involving reverse-engineering Skype, so, I went through Wikipedia and Google and found this :

I'm not a programmer myself, so I couldn't really evaluate how usable it could be for a third-party implementation of the Skype protocol, but since WLM seems no longer to have any future in a rather short term, I guess this documentation could be useful for coders who would like to give it a go as a reborn "aMSN", but with the Skype protocol Smiley

 on: February 10, 2013, 01:58:47 pm 
Started by kevv - Last post by alexandernst
Just to make it clear, were you *forced* to install a toolbar or there was an option to not install it?
We do ship aMSN with some random software that is offered to be installed, but this is not mandatory at all.

 on: February 10, 2013, 01:33:24 am 
Started by kevv - Last post by kevv
I did today from your download link on the main page.

 on: February 09, 2013, 06:11:44 pm 
Started by kevv - Last post by alexandernst
That is weird. We don't ship aMSN with any other software. Where did you downlaoded aMSN from?

 on: February 09, 2013, 04:42:18 pm 
Started by kevv - Last post by kevv
Hi, I've been using your aMSN client since 2004 and have been quite loyal towards it, (I never cheated on aMSN  Grin), but I just tried to install it and it is now bundled with extra software.

I'm never using your client again because of this bundled Findr toolbar.



 on: February 09, 2013, 02:43:16 pm 
Started by Adjacent - Last post by alexandernst
You'll be able to talk with skype users only.

Enough already with the madness. This is the last time I'm explaining it:

Right now MSN and Skype users can talk each other via MSNP/XMPP/whatever.
Once MSNP/XMPP servers are shutdown, MSN people WON'T be able to talk with Skype people (and viceversa). In fact, MSN people WON'T be able to login. Full stop.

XMPP servers will be shutdown later this years. MSNP servers will be shutdown March 2014.

 on: February 09, 2013, 01:39:02 am 
Started by Adjacent - Last post by falde
Whats the point of migrating to Skype if they close that down to?
Skype isn't using MSNP nor XMPP but it's own servers/protocol, closing MSNP and XMPP won't affect Skype's hability for chating.
How will it not affect my ability to chat with my MSNP contacts using Skype?
The entire point with MSN is that it uses mail addresses rather than having its own naming scheme. That's whats makes it so simple to use.

There are already a discussion in progress about setting up alternative XMPP-based servers
Check that thread, I replied.

 on: February 09, 2013, 01:36:38 am 
Started by NiTrOcx - Last post by falde
After talking with the entire dev team, I can say that MSN will die. We have no man-power for doing what MS was doing. We don't have enough money for hardware able to maintain such a huge network / amount of users. And the most important thing: we (except me) don't have motivation.
MSN was a good thing a few years ago, but right now there are better things (and I'm not talking about that shitty facebook chat or skype's "chat"). There are real alternatives that are pretty much equal or even better than MSN, so what's the point in trying to keep MSN alive? Why should we do it if even MS isn't interested anymore in doing it?

As I already said, we're not closed to anything, I will try to help if somebody makes any serious effort in keeping MSN alive, but *we* won't do that effort.

As for your other question, XMPP with be shutdown later this year, MSNP will be shutdown March 2014. Right now all MSN client are available to login, so maybe you're having a temporal issue with the server aMSN is trying to connect with, or maybe a connection problem.

Many of my friends have migrated to Google Talk that is quite reliable.

However I have used both aMSN and Pidgin for a while and can honestly say that as a chat client aMSN are superior, and I think that there are some real value here to preserve. I am of course talking about the user interface and visible functionality. What about just implementing a XMPP client with the look and feel (and name) of aMSN? Setting up a server network is a independent project.

I do not know Microsoft's motives to shut MSN down, other than that they want to promote Skype. But Microsoft have shut down a lot of projects that others have successfully picked up in one way or another. Usually their motives are to force users to migrate to another of their products of services. Like when they shut down Visual Basic (classic) in order to force users to use .NET and everyone migrated to RealBasic or Delphi.

I am interested in setting up a server network but that's of course not a one man project. If you wanna help i think that the first step is not to do any technical work but to try to rally support and see if we can get enough people that want msn to live on. It does not matter if they are coders or just wanna support financially, most things that need to be done can be outsourced to commercial developers.

What about the other people that suggested doing something like this? Are you guys ready to put in work, funding or both?

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