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Development => Amsn development related issues => Topic started by: Adjacent on November 06, 2012, 11:36:30 pm



Title: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: Adjacent on November 06, 2012, 11:36:30 pm
http://techcrunch.com/2012/11/06/end-of-an-era-windows-live-messenger-to-be-retired-users-transitioned-to-skype/

After seeing this as rumour on another website 2 days ago, I am now almost certain it is to be fact.

I've been using msn/windows live since January 2006. I STILL use it daily. It's the only major chat program left where you can have individualism. Skype has no custom fonts, no custom colours, you can't set a status before you sign in. There's no "plus!" features like you have on MSN... No password protected lock settings or games or nudges, your best bet to get someone's attention is to call them. I just cannot believe MicroSoft would do this to their loyal users after 12 years, even if many of them have left to go to failbook chat.

How are they suppose to compensate us for all the features we're losing in this "transition", how can we fight this? I for one will keep using msn daily till this takes effect... I hope many of you reading this will join me and if anyone wants to add me and discuss the good old days of msn my email/msn address is adjacentjason@hotmail.co.uk


While not totally surprised... I'm just...speechless.... and I am certainly angry.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: Arch_ on November 07, 2012, 01:25:53 am
Funny...I just came here to post this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20222998

Doesn't look good for aMSN2 haha


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: Adjacent on November 07, 2012, 08:03:09 am
Ugh... also not a fan of skype being so integrated with facebook, having a user searchable directory, and storing your chatlogs on their servers...

Isn't there anyway we can protest this?  :(


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on November 07, 2012, 09:05:47 am
Just to make it clear, the news are real, M$ is going to shutdown MSN somewhen in Q1 2013.

But there is a hope. Skype will (apparently) use MSNP to signin and chat with MSN contacts, so
maybe we'll still be able to use aMSN (and all other MSN clients).

NOTE: This is not yet confirmed!


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: justincase on November 07, 2012, 04:56:52 pm
yes if you use your hotmail or outlook account you will have your messenger contacts so try skype version 6 but they should add a big font or change the font colour but it works try it out.  :D


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: Adjacent on November 07, 2012, 09:29:12 pm
Hi all, wanted whoever it may help/concern to know:

I updated my skype (on a mac, snow leopard 10.6.8 ) to 6.0 version. I logged in using my windows live account and "merged" the skype/msn.

Upon right clicking, you have a choice as to choose a font/color, but they don't work at all, it just appears as default even after choosing a color. I also cannot see my contact's fonts/colors. After several moments your msn contacts also appear in your skype list... I tried video calling someone who was using Windows Live 2009 (on windows 7), he told me that he received a pop up box asking him whether he wanted to install "skype video callling component" or not, he selected to install it and restarted msn and the call worked. His display name/picture also didn't seem to show for me, it appeared as his first name and the default picture.

I took screenshots of the video call and some of these buggy moments and I may post them later.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: Calmarius on November 12, 2012, 08:12:56 am
And I think considerable number of people using aMSN because they are on Linux. The Skype for Linux won't even let you log in with your Facebook, nor with your Microsoft account.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: Bocko on November 17, 2012, 10:43:30 am
If you're using Linux, the latest update for Skype (4.1) allow you to merge your MSN account...


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: justincase on December 11, 2012, 12:07:59 am
By the way, the actual original announcement is here:
http://blogs.skype.com/en/2012/11/skypewlm.html

The pertinent section:
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We will retire Messenger in all countries worldwide in the first quarter of 2013 (with the exception of mainland China where Messenger will continue to be available).

It is not clear if this means "we will no longer update Windows Live Messenger", or "clients using MSN service will no longer be able to connect".

Also, it is not clear how "exception of mainland China" would work -- would it be by IP? It would be hilarious if that means you have to hop the Great Firewall back into China in order to use MSN. And if you did that it is not clear if you would only be able to see contacts in China or if it would include your buddies who've transitioned to Skype too.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on December 11, 2012, 12:50:53 am
We really can't be sure how will they do it, but maybe you're right and they'll do it by blocking IPs from other countries, maybe they'll block access to accounts that weren't created in china, maybe....

We'll see really soon. Until then there isn't really anything we can do about it, I'm sorry.  :(


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: justincase on December 20, 2012, 01:10:36 am
Some hope for alternate MSN clients:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windowslive/forum/messenger-sharing/alternate-client/18444938-94a9-49bb-a690-ef53b7cb82b4 (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windowslive/forum/messenger-sharing/alternate-client/18444938-94a9-49bb-a690-ef53b7cb82b4)

"You can still login to the alternate messaging clients using Messenger as long as your account is working fine. If you will encounter any issues and is sure that the account is ok, you can contact the alternate client for support."


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on January 11, 2013, 08:06:28 pm
Just wanted to say that we officially know when will MSNP be closed. It will happen in March 2014 (yes, 2014, not a typo). Then all MSN clients will stop working.
XMPP (which is currently used for skype <--> msn) will close later this year, so using that instead is not an option.

Long story short: we have one more year of MSN. Let's see what will happen in the near feature, maybe we (not just aMSN devs but 'we' in general) will be able to do something...

Regards


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: falde on January 14, 2013, 11:09:42 am
Just wanted to say that we officially know when will MSNP be closed. It will happen in March 2014 (yes, 2014, not a typo). Then all MSN clients will stop working.
XMPP (which is currently used for skype <--> msn) will close later this year, so using that instead is not an option.

Long story short: we have one more year of MSN. Let's see what will happen in the near feature, maybe we (not just aMSN devs but 'we' in general) will be able to do something...

Regards
I am confused. What protocol will be used for skype<>msn in the future if they discontinue XMPP? Will Skype stop working as an MSN client?


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on January 14, 2013, 12:38:33 pm
Yes, as soon as MSNP and XMMP servers are closed Skype users will be able to talk only with Skype users. But that really won't be the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that MSN users won't be able to signin from any client.

So, if you still don't understand it: As soon as MSNP and XMMP servers are closed, MSN will die. No more MSN accounts, no more WLM (nor aMSN, Pidgin, Emeseme, whatever client).


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: tinos on January 15, 2013, 02:02:54 am
: O///
I want to be able to read my log-files in the future, but I can only access them in a smothly readable layout when logged in to amsn. Do anyone else suffer from this or have an solution?


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on January 15, 2013, 09:09:00 am
In the coming weeks I'll write a script or something to export aMSN logs to some readable format. Just keep checking this forum :)


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: tinos on January 15, 2013, 01:36:13 pm
Yaaaay! : ODDD


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: jojomart on January 19, 2013, 12:44:18 am
So, this program will not work after MSN gets rid of their messenger?? This is the reason I downloaded and installed aMSN :(  Are the developers going to try to find a way for it to work with a different log in? Or some other way that we will still be able to use aMSN?  People are so upset about the switch to Skype (me included!), because of the lack of features there.

Thanks,
Joanne


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on January 19, 2013, 01:36:37 am
Yes, the moment MS shutdown their servers WLM, aMSN, Emeseme, Kopete, and all other MSN clients will stop working immediately. I mean it. They won't work anymore. Never.

That said...

While I'm not closed to anything, getting back aMSN (or any other MSN client) will be *really*, and I mean REALLY, hard. Please check this thread: http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/index.php?topic=8459.msg48930#msg48930


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: falde on February 06, 2013, 09:52:31 pm
Yes, as soon as MSNP and XMMP servers are closed Skype users will be able to talk only with Skype users. But that really won't be the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that MSN users won't be able to signin from any client.

So, if you still don't understand it: As soon as MSNP and XMMP servers are closed, MSN will die. No more MSN accounts, no more WLM (nor aMSN, Pidgin, Emeseme, whatever client).
Whats the point of migrating to Skype if they close that down to? Moving both services to one client make sense, but then still close the WLM accounts? Thats just stupid.

There are already a discussion in progress about setting up alternative XMPP-based servers where WLM users can migrate to... perhaps that will be the best option. I have already started using Google Talk a lot, trough Pidgin. But I REALLY like the email=address system that WLM uses and Google Talk does unfortunately not work like that...


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on February 07, 2013, 09:18:05 am
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Whats the point of migrating to Skype if they close that down to?
Skype isn't using MSNP nor XMPP but it's own servers/protocol, closing MSNP and XMPP won't affect Skype's hability for chating.


Quote
There are already a discussion in progress about setting up alternative XMPP-based servers
Check that thread, I replied.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: falde on February 09, 2013, 01:39:02 am
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Whats the point of migrating to Skype if they close that down to?
Skype isn't using MSNP nor XMPP but it's own servers/protocol, closing MSNP and XMPP won't affect Skype's hability for chating.
How will it not affect my ability to chat with my MSNP contacts using Skype?
The entire point with MSN is that it uses mail addresses rather than having its own naming scheme. That's whats makes it so simple to use.

Quote
There are already a discussion in progress about setting up alternative XMPP-based servers
Check that thread, I replied.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on February 09, 2013, 02:43:16 pm
You'll be able to talk with skype users only.

Enough already with the madness. This is the last time I'm explaining it:

Right now MSN and Skype users can talk each other via MSNP/XMPP/whatever.
Once MSNP/XMPP servers are shutdown, MSN people WON'T be able to talk with Skype people (and viceversa). In fact, MSN people WON'T be able to login. Full stop.

XMPP servers will be shutdown later this years. MSNP servers will be shutdown March 2014.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: arkano on February 10, 2013, 03:47:08 pm
I've been following this since Microsoft announced the (forced) transition from MSN to Skype. Personally, I find it's a shame to close WLM. At first, I had imagined they'd simply merge both clients into one, using MSNP for text messenging and other features like file transfers and such, and using the Skype protocol for VOIP and videochat (since it's certainly way better than the old MSN videochat/audiochat feature).

So, I rummaged around the internet for some potential alternatives to the official Skype client (without much hope), since I think using the heavy Skype just for IMing is a bit overkill compared to a traditional IM client, not to mention the obfuscated and blackbox aspects of Skype as a piece of software.
Some time ago, I heard about researches involving reverse-engineering Skype, so, I went through Wikipedia and Google and found this : http://www.oklabs.net/category/skype-reverse/

I'm not a programmer myself, so I couldn't really evaluate how usable it could be for a third-party implementation of the Skype protocol, but since WLM seems no longer to have any future in a rather short term, I guess this documentation could be useful for coders who would like to give it a go as a reborn "aMSN", but with the Skype protocol :)


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: tinos on February 17, 2013, 03:13:01 pm
In the coming weeks I'll write a script or something to export aMSN logs to some readable format. Just keep checking this forum :)

Is it ready yet? : OD
Is it ready yet?? : OD
Is it ready yet??? : OD


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on February 17, 2013, 04:15:35 pm
Not yet. In fact, I haven't started doing it yet. I'm sorry, I just don't have enough free time. But please, slap me if I haven't done it till next Sunday.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: kevinwalzer on February 20, 2013, 05:01:27 am
Seems like this news has been rather lightly addressed in the forums, but it appears that this is the end of the line for aMSN? No shame in that, but if that's the case, wouldn't it make sense to make this explicit, not just in the forums but on the website?


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on February 21, 2013, 12:34:02 am
While it's definitely MSN's death, we're still waiting to see what will happen next. Yes, eventually we'll announce it properly, but let's keep waiting for a few more months. It won't hurt anybody and aMSN won't die until march 2014 :)


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: gilaparis75 on February 25, 2013, 12:19:36 am
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Expiration Date:2013-10-18 04:07:02

March 2014 you said ? Lol


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on February 25, 2013, 08:29:32 pm
XMPP will die later this year while MSNP will keep working until March 2014.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on March 06, 2013, 09:48:23 pm
This is a basic log to html conversor: http://jsfiddle.net/alexandernst/beSjr/
I'll keep updating it till there aren't any bugs.

PS: Forgot to describe how it works. Open one of your logs, paste it into the text area and hit the "Convert!" button.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: asdolo on March 14, 2013, 11:25:01 pm
hi, i have something like 1100 logs, i have to open the first, copy, paste, and so on for 1k times...
there is another problem...this converter is on a site...i have to post my conversation on a site...there is nothing secret on my conversation but is a privacy problem...

exist a faster and offline mode to make logs readable?


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on March 15, 2013, 12:09:48 am
About the posting issue, your logs aren't uploaded nor stored anywhere, you can be safe :)

About the other one, yes, I thought about making an "offline" version, but I need some more time
for that as I need to support all 3 OS (Windows, Linux and Mac).

Keep an eye on this topic as I'll post it here when it's ready ;)


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: asdolo on March 15, 2013, 05:12:43 pm
thank you !  :D


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: justincase on April 05, 2013, 02:21:52 pm
I'm using aMSN since 2008 (and probably will keep using until I can not login with the program) but also have to accept the facts; aMSN has not had significant updates in a long time (the May 2012 were things that already been in the SVN from a while) and in Windows the program is practically a bug after another (especially in the last time and I think that I no need deepen on the matter because in the Windows subforum (http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/index.php?board=4.0) are reported most relevant issues).
So looking for a replacement that is multiprotocol (due to Microsoft's decision I had to migrate to Facebook grudgingly to not become in an asocial definitive), I have been testing Pidgin and I have not come too bad until now because to use a Skype account since the program there is the Skype4Pidgin (http://code.google.com/p/skype4pidgin/) (of course, for it to work first must have the Skype open and login there with your username).
Even so there are some things that I miss from aMSN and that Pidgin does not have, such as:
  • Status bar in chat windows.
  • Minimize all program windows in the system tray (using Alt Gr + Space) and then request you password to restore (what is popularly known as "boss mode/key/button (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boss_key)" or similar). Apparently the function that is responsible for this is "BossMode" and is in the gui.tcl (http://amsn.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/amsn/trunk/amsn/gui.tcl?view=markup) file (starting from line 8289).
  • Drop down list with all the changes of state of the contacts (has something similar called "System logs" which is accessed from the "Tools" menu but I see it little practical if I only want to know who is connected/disconnected recently, besides that this is not enabled by default).
  • Ability to adjust the height of the text box where you write messages to contacts in the chat window (the program only has the option to change the minimum number of lines of textbox from the preferences window in section "Conversations").
  • Display extra data about a contact in the info window (something equivalent to the "Other" static box in the properties window of a aMSN contact).
Also, these and other features can be added to the program using plugins so if anyone is interested in replicate them in Pidgin, you can get information here (https://developer.pidgin.im/) ("Development Information" section; allow work with C, Perl and Tcl). I know there are other aMSN features/plugins that I'm leaving out of the list, but that is due to already exist as official plugins (Buddy Notes), third party (https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartyPlugins#Third-PartyPlugins) (Character Counter (http://dossy.org/2007/10/character-counting-plugin-for-pidgin/)) or are characteristics that never use or never caught my attention.

This is a basic log to html conversor: http://jsfiddle.net/alexandernst/beSjr/
I'll keep updating it till there aren't any bugs.

PS: Forgot to describe how it works. Open one of your logs, paste it into the text area and hit the "Convert!" button.
Doing a quick test of your conversor I discovered that not working properly with characters from other languages (such ¿ or ñ from Spanish) but this can be fixed using UTF8 after convert text (maybe some of these functions (http://www.jquerysdk.com/category/jquery.utf8) can serve you).
Another thing that I noted is that the output text does not preserve the colors of the original log (I know that it seems trivial, but there are times when text highlighting makes it much easier to read). To fix this you can find useful the following code:
Code: (python)
import re

simple_colors = {"GRA": "gray","GRE": "green", "NOR": "black", "RED": "red"}
detector = re.compile('(?=\|"LC?(RED|GRA|NOR|GRE|[0-9a-f]{6})(.+))')
matches = detector.findall(logtext) # List containing tuples of the type (color, fragment)
# Order the list to longer fragment are at first and shorter at the end
matches.sort(key=lambda tuple: len(tuple[1]), reverse= True)
for color, fragment in matches:
    if simple_colors.has_key(color): html_color = simple_colors[color]
    else: html_color = "#" + color
    logtext = logtext.replace(fragment, '<span style="color:%s">%s</span>' % (html_color, fragment))
logtext = re.sub('\|"LC?(RED|GRA|NOR|GRE|[0-9a-f]{6})', "", logtext)
Although the code is in Python, should not be too difficult to convert at JQuery but do not know if this framework has something like the findall (http://docs.python.org/2/library/re.html#re.findall) function or if it supports lookahead assertion (http://www.regular-expressions.info/lookaround.html) in regular expressions.

[...]
About the other one, yes, I thought about making an "offline" version, but I need some more time
for that as I need to support all 3 OS (Windows, Linux and Mac).
[...]
I think that would be more practical to make a local viewer for the registers (so can be keep the original logs and there would be no redundant html files generated by a converter) and in theory only would take the "loging.tcl" module (and what it need to work) from aMSN and add a textbox to indicate the path where the program save the logs.
Another option is the Pidgin's "Log Reader" plugin (comes with the program) which can include logs from other IM clients in the program log viewer. Apparently this is compatible with the registers of Adium, MSN Messenger, aMSN, and Trillian but I had no luck when tested it with the account that I use in aMSN, does anyone that has succeeded make it work?


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: justincase on April 10, 2013, 09:05:52 pm
Just wanted to say that we officially know when will MSNP be closed. It will happen in March 2014 (yes, 2014, not a typo).
I think you are referring to the page here (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/live/ff519582.aspx). However, it says that "Mobile Service Proxy (MSP)" will continue working until March 2014. It doesn't say anything about "MSNP".


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: Stadt on February 09, 2014, 06:25:59 pm
The closedown is approaching so I would like to remind of the free, open source and secure alternative to Messenger: Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol.
  • XMPP Standards Foundation (http://xmpp.org/)
  • XMPP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP)
  • XMPP - Protocols - PRISM Break (https://prism-break.org/en/protocols/xmpp/)

Skype truly cannot be trusted as much as Messenger or XMPP especially in the light of last year's global news. Messenger seems to be still working so let's continue to observe.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on February 09, 2014, 09:40:47 pm
XMPP is not a MSN alternative. XMPP is a protocol. Messenger is a client.

Also, you can trust Messenger the same way to can trust Skype . Both services belong to Microsoft, both are private, both are closed source.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: asdolo on February 09, 2014, 11:18:28 pm
hi, if i don't log into skype with the msn account, my account will disappear?


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: Stadt on February 10, 2014, 10:53:38 pm
XMPP is not a MSN alternative. XMPP is a protocol. Messenger is a client.

Also, you can trust Messenger the same way to can trust Skype . Both services belong to Microsoft, both are private, both are closed source.

I'm referring to the Microsoft Messenger service (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Messenger_service) which is not a client. Services using Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol generally are a great alternative to the Messenger service.

You are right about the latter. One cannot trust Messenger either but at least anyone could make a software for it, for Skype even that is not possible.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: justincase on September 01, 2014, 02:09:13 am
The end seems to be near, more precisely on October 31 according to http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/29/6082199/msn-messenger-shutting-down-15-years-history :'(


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down. And Amsn is dead?
Post by: rosine on December 27, 2014, 06:38:35 pm
Hello kids...
From 15 december Amsn  refuse connect me at server  (server denied)

Amsn is dead or new version is in study for using Skype protocol? (Like messenger live in the past?)

Do you have infos about this?
Thank you
Rosine


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: alexandernst on December 29, 2014, 02:44:08 pm
aMSN isn't working anymore (neither some of the other unofficial MSN clients). This is caused by some recent changes in the protocol.
Some of the MSN clients managed to fix this. Sadly, we, the aMSN devs, don't have any spare time to fix it.

Answering your second question, no, we're not planing to release a new version of aMSN based on the Skype protocol.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: rosine on January 02, 2015, 09:53:48 am
Thank you. I'ts bad news.

Ps: I putting  in two forum same question due first in french forum due no many massages in french. After,  I decide making question in english forum, but my english is not so good.

Sorry and happy new year for everybody.
Rosine


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: bigbruno on May 18, 2016, 03:20:44 am
Oh man, Amsn never die, we now working in fork to reenable using skype and facebook protocol, the fenix is back.


Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: rosine on May 24, 2016, 02:26:52 pm

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Oh man, Amsn never die, we now working in fork to reenable using skype and facebook protocol, the fenix is back

Hahaha! I hope so due Amsn nostalgy is very actuate. please inform me when is ready.
(I am NOT a man, just women Haha  ;)



Title: Re: Windows Live. Closing. Down.
Post by: Mohamed RACHID on October 15, 2017, 09:15:05 am
Hello everyone,
I'm feeling very nostalgic right now.

I was a heavy user of Windows Live Messenger services. My favorite clients for it were MSN Messenger 5.0 (for old Windows 4.x and Windows 2000) and Windows Messenger 5.1 (for Windows XP). I gave aMSN a try, unfortunately after webcam support has gone in another world. The interface was a little too heavy to my taste, but I love the world of open-source! I did not like the design of Windows Live Messenger.

One day my account lost its compatibility with Windows Messenger 5.1 and (I think later) with MSN Messenger 7.5 too.
Then I had to move to Skype, I do not know what happened but nowadays I have no contacts on my Skype account that used to be on Windows Live Messenger.

And now, so many years after the change, Skype 7 cannot connect on my Windows 8.1. Skype 6 has been deprecated and does not allow logins anymore. My last resort is the Web interface of Skype, which is poor and does not hold the session forever (and when the session is expired, there is no warning or anything to invite to refresh the page).

The best alternatives I know are Discord and Twitch (aka Curse, which has lost its beautiful web interface). Unfortunately they are too designed for gamers rather than general purpose IM. General purpose IM competitors are gone: Yahoo was one of them.

So yeah, I'm looking for some community, some passion around programming.

If there is any life in there, I really suggest that aMSN takes a turn towards the use of modules for known and custom IM protocols. Why not IRC, XMPP, Facebook, and profile pictures hosted somewhere? With aMSN extensions to some protocols? It's so sad to see a project dead, but with its website still working and begging for life!

See you around!