ColoredNicks plugin

[kakaroto]

@square87 : I don't see where he was impolite.. unless I missed something...
@echo : if the version says 0.97b then it means it's the beta which is NOT the latest, the latest is 0.97, maybe it's not yet in your distro's repository, you can either compile it yourself or use the generic installer instead. There are lots of guides on how to do that.
If you don't use the latest version, there is no guarantee that the plugin will work. The plugin is only compatible with the 0.97 version, since you have a built svn version, it could be any version and no guarantee that the changes needed to get the plugin to work are in your version.

[square87]

Hi KaKaRoTo
He said:

@square87 - ColoredNicks 0.3.1! In CL I still see [c=...]gdsafa[/c]. etc! So nothing special!

According to me, It sounds impolite.
Bye

[echo]

@square : I'm so sorry! My english is bad :S I want to write that I don't see nothing!
I don't want to be impolite! I really sorry

[kakaroto]

Humm.. ok square, but I think that it was more like "I see nothing special" == "I don't see any colors".. since colored nicks are 'special' in comparison to plain old nicks... It could also be a language barrier. In any case, I've seen much much worse cases of people being impolite, so.. I think this one is ok
+ if he was impolite, he wouldn't have said sorry, hehe.. most of the guys I tell them not to be impolite just tell me to fuck off (then I ban them, hehe )
take care.

[H@t Trick]

Feel free to yell at me for this, but seeing as many of us are non-English speakers, and those that are seem to not be American, I propose a spelling correction for the name of this plug in. Can it be corrected to spell the word colour properly with a "u"? Proper English spelling for something like this is one of my big pet peeves. This proposal applies to the whole of aMSN also if there is any "American" spellings.

[kakaroto]

well, color/colour, it's all the same in the end, it's not like 'color' meant something complete different for british people..
I think it would be nice to merge this plugin with amsnplus... since it's an msn plus feature and it makes sense to have all those features in one place... what do you think ?

[square87]

@echo: Hi. no problem , my mistake too. My English is not so good too

@ H@t: Hi. About the plugins name: i agree with KaKaRoTo. Anyway thanks

@ KaKaRoTo:
Hi
I already discussed some months ago about that.
I don't like "amsn plus", every plugins can go in amsn plus just because it's not a real plugin, just a "metaplugin".
Then as you can see the features in aMSN plus are not developed anymore, no users has new idea for it (they just want a "new plugin with a new feature"). No user give patches for aMSN plus. According to me, it's just because an user can fill confused looking that mixed code.
Then i hope one day aMSN Plus will be dropped or at least it will contain some advanced opts that are in Preferences Windows, in that case "aMSN Plus" will be a real plugin.
Byez

[kakaroto]

If we look at the download stats, amsn plus is BY FAR the most downloaded plugin.. here's the list for plugins with more than 10K downlods :

Plugins statistics Name   Count
aMSN Plus!   121370
Music   81462
DualDisplayPicture   37618
BigSmileys   31217
Desktop Integration   28116
Chameleon   18410
WinSkin   15595
msntranslator   14914
GNotify   13886
Colorize   12473
amsnEliza   12339
SendDraw   11612
userstatus   10747
SpellCheck   10511

noone talks about it because it works and all the bugs have been fixed.. when it was buggy it was the main subject for everyone.. so no, it's not an unused plugin... also it's not a 'metaplugin', it's a real plugin with the purpose of providing the features of the 'msn plus' plugin for WLM. And no new ideas for it simply because it already implements most of what msn plus does... and what it doesn't do are in other plugins..
that's why I'm saying that we should keep one plugin 'amsn plus' with ALL the features of msn plus.. for the end user, he just wants to download 'amsn plus' to replicate the 'msn plus' features, he doesn't want to install 10 plugins to get the same features..

[Fabioamd87]

then this plugin will be merged in amsn plus?

[michel]

This proposal applies to the whole of aMSN

As a non English speaker I always try to use International English spelling, not US spelling.
I agree with H@t Trick about the spelling which I think should be used in aMSN; although I don't consider that too important.
While I am here, let me say that I will never congratulate enough the developpers for their work.

Michel

[kakaroto]

thanks!
Well, the translations are bad, the words we use are bad.. most of the developers don't speak english natively and the sentences can always sound 'weird'... but in the end, it's a community project and everyone is free to open the langen file and rephrase anything that he thinks should be said/written differently. And maybe we should have an 'english (us)' and an 'english (uk)' setting.

[square87]

Hi KaKaRoTo
I know amsn plus is the most downloaded. Btw a real "download statics" should be $download/$days.

Personally i don't like to have an "amsn plus" just because there is "msn plus". I don't like the idea: if a feature or a plugin is in "msn plus" so that feature/plugin should go in aMSN plus. I think it can demote some people to write code.
What if we add a "plugin" in amsn plus because that feature is in "msn plus" and then for some reason "msn plus" drops that feature? What i want to say is: for me msn plus is not a standard or whatever.
If someday a new plugin for wlm named "msn $name" will be created then i don't want a plugin for amsn named "amsn $name".
I can understand "for the end users" but hey we are not using by default wlm icons, wlm pixmap etc...
aMSN has some features that they are not in msn, but in msn plus. what about that? They should continue to be in amsn code?
Then, as i said, I found more simple to have more plugins that all-in-one plugin.

About features amsn plus lacks of some "features" present in msn plus.

Btw I don't agree. It's just a my opinion.
I think you should open a discussion on it. Because we aren't talking only of ColoredNicks but also for others plugins/features and for future plugins. Of course if others are agree to follow "msn plus" i'll add ColoredNicks code in aMSN plus, even if I am not agree.
Have a nice evening

[echo]

Yesss yesss yesss It works now
Thanks everything for everybody! aMSN is the best msn client in linux
I install the latest autopackaged aMNS, and it works fine

But now I have a little problem with dualdisplaypicture... In chat window my partner have 2 picture :S
But it is other Topic!

So thanks

[H@t Trick]

ok I see the point about it meaning the same thing, I just feel spelling is important to the language., though it seems a small debate has been started  (a new thread? lol). Though I think we all agree, it is not a major issue. What about an English (CAN) setting? lol

As for this plugin and other merged into aMSN Plus, I don't know if this is really a big deal, but then again I am not quite the average user.

@echo: just disable the DualDisplayPicture plugin and you'll be fine!

[kakaroto]

@echo : the dualdisplaypicture plugin has been merged into amsn's core so you don't need the plugin to have the feature and actually, enabling the plugin will make it look like you said : 2 DPs for your contact.. delete the plugin and it should fix it
@square : ok, I understand your opinion and respect that, for now, I can't force you to merge it since after all you're the author, but mainly because I think it's a minor issue, if it was something more important, I would have forced you :p
Seriously though, I don't think your arguments have any weight :p  we have 'amsnplus' because 'msn plus!' is the most known and used plugin for WLM ever.. it is also so widely used that it can be considered as if it was a standard since almost everyone uses it. And amsnplus is just a name like any other but it does have the description and name of being an msn plus clone. For the end user, in the end, it should be as simple as possible. And amsnplus stats are real, they keep going up at the same rate, so it's not like it's old stats only (+ we reinitialized stats lately, long after amsnplus became stable and long after the last release of it).
amsnplus is a plugin for amsn, you can do whatever you want with it, if msn plus drops a feature, so what? we are a WLM clone but we still have more features than WLM, if WLM drops a feature, we'll still be at an advantage of having it.. amsnplus is the same, we don't really care what msn plus does, the plugin is not a 'copy', it's just a plugin that has the purpose of allowing users to easily add a plugin to get all the features they want/need with a single click. Colored nicks are important because it is widely used and it screws up your contact list if you don't have the plugin, so it would be important to merge that plugin, but other smaller features can be left out if there's no real need for them for everyone.